Väter und Söhne – Eine deutsche Tragödie

Drama biography mini series
-Year: 1986
-Year in film: 1910s (sailor suit)
-Country: Italy, Germany
-Who in clothing: boy ~8, Georg 10 ys, girl 12, sailor suits
-Who in clothing 2:
-Available on DVD: yes
-I own: yes, partly TV recording
-Clothing occurence: medium ?
-Rating:  9/10
-Rating: *********
-Comment: At least 2 boys in different sailor suits (the blond one pictured and one dark haired) and one girl in a white sailor dress. Spanking scene of the boy. Maybe uniforms and other historical clothing in the 1930s scenes.

As announced this correction as these pics are previously in “Heimat – Eine deutsche Chronik”. Sorry again for this mistake, I have some unlabled scenes on a VHS tape. I will update Heimat as well soon (similar blond boy in sailor suit), see

/2011/08/heimat-eine-deutsche-chronik.html

Starring Bruno Ganz, Herbert Grönemeyer, Hannes Jeanicke, Burt Lancaster, Julie Christie and others. Written and directed by Bernhard Sinkel. This series (4 parts, 525 minutes) is about the German chemistry and paint dynasty “Deutz” (I.G. FARBEN). Internation title Fathers and Sons.

I have to check this series again. But I assume rather few or medium sailor suit scenes in total as only one of the 4 parts are set in the 1910s. Probably no Lederhosen. Maybe I will buy this, if not rebroadcasted.

There are also similar very good series in this “Große Geschichten” series, like Die Bertinis. One trailer (can’t be embedded) and some short clips at the director’s YouTube page.

Rating even 9 for now.

Update: Pic showing Marcus Hetzner as young Georg Deutz (the older Georg is played by Herbert Grönemeyer). Now also on my bedroom blog (rating 4). One brother one older sister and one Jewish friend at the same age.

Info 63: Webfound: Spanking scene

I’m reading the book “Fanny och Alexander” and found the German word Seemannskragen (sailor collar). Before that I mostly heard Matrosenkragen or Marinekragen. I searched the web and found this interesting pics of visiting a school museum. The don’t wear the sailor collars bound properly but the front side strips of the collars are loose and very long. One boy in jeans and sailor collar is being spanked and loughing.

I think I have seen other pics on this website

http://www.rochusschule.de/schulleben/2010_alteschule_3b.htm

Der Untertan

Drama. Directed by Wolfgang Staudte
-Year: 1951
-Year in film: 1900s    
-Country: East Germany
-Who in clothing: girls, boys ~ 5-14 ys,  sailor suits
-Who in clothing 2: historical uniforms
-Available on DVD: yes  
-I own: no
-Clothing occurence: low ?    
-Rating:  6/10 ?          
-Rating: ******
-Comment: At least some boys (different age) at school in different interesting sailor suits (short and long). One boy has his jacket opened, so his striped shirt can be seen (it’s not a dickey). Short collars, 3 stripes. One or more boys with white collars bust mostly dark (blue).
Also at least one girl in a sailor dress outside (see clip). Also a spanking scene at school.

I don’t know this complete movie, but I assume rather few sailor suit scenes of boys. Maybe there are also other interesting scenes, and maybe women in sailor dresses as well. Also other historical clothing and soldiers in uniforms.
I found this movie by coincidence (YouTube recommendation of Abenteuer 1900).

Famous novel by Heinrich Mann. Starring Werner Peters, Renate Fischer and Paul Esser. DEFA movie. English title: Man of Straw. Aka “The Underdog, “The Kaiser’s Lackey” and “The Subject”.

I have to check this movie completely. Rating 5-6 for now.

Wer die Heimat liebt (1957)

Heimatfilm starring Hermann Erhardt
-Year: 1957
-Year in film: 1950s    
-Country: Austria
-Who in clothing: David ~ 9 ys,  Lederhosen
-Who in clothing 2
-Available on DVD: VHS only  
-I own: yes, TV recording
-Clothing occurence: medium    
-Rating:  9/10          
-Rating: *********
-Comment: I think this is Georg Gröller. Mostly in long buckskin Lederhosen and in one scene in short Lederhosen in the middle of the movie (pictured). Both with suspenders.

As announced this was the first (and probably the best) Heimatfilm of the today 24 hour marathon on 3sat. Very good Hematfilm with typical elements like dramatic scenes in the snowy mountains, fire in the woods, good landscape and animal scenes. The blond boy is quite often shown, also 2 scenes in a nightshirt.
Funny scene at the beginning, as he was afraid to feed a baby deer. Best scenes at the end (picture on top), he also sits on the lap of his dad playing with his beard. Also walking in the snow in Lederhosen. I remember 2 short spanking scenes (slightly with a hand).

I like this film and even considered rating 10 but the boy is very thin and young. It could be better (more scenes of shorter Lederhosen, more actors etc). Even few men in Lederhosen. No Schuhplattler. I only found a VHS release (used condition). Film aka “Das heilige Erbe”, English title “Holy Heritage”. Filmed in 1956.

St. Florianer Sängerknaben – Musikantenstadl 2011

Volksmusik show, November 19th 2011
-Year: 2011
-Year in film: 2011
-Country: Austria
-Who in clothing: boys ~ 9-12 ys, Lederhosen
-Who in clothing 2: boys ~9-12, sailor suits
-Available on DVD: no
-I own: yes, TV recording
-Clothing occurence: low *
-Rating:  8/10
-Rating: ********
-Comment: Some boys of the choir St. Florianer Sängerknaben in white long sailor suits with pointed blue collars, 3 stripes, and some in buckskin Lederhosen. Also performing Schuhplattler and other Gaudiplattler (Show Plattler) like Watschnplattler (slap dance) and 2 boys slapping each other on their bottoms (pictured). Also other stage perfomance later with boys in sailor suits with a water costume. First song was Edelweiss while the boys in Lederhosen danced around the pole (pictured below). After that treble soloist Alois Mühlbacher singing parts of Mozart’s Zauberflöte.

I don’t watch this show regularly and saw it yesterday by coincidence. All acts of this choir are in total 12 minutes. One boy is a bit overweighted, others very thin, one small and one very tall. But I liked that perfomance and haven’t seen something like this (Kids Watchnplattler) for a long time. Giving even rating 8. I will check out this choir. I always wondered why there’s a need of so many German speaking boys choirs. I assume others than the Vienna boys choir and the Thomanerchor are not the first choice. Now I see, that it’s already on YouTube but can’t be embeeded. It’s at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zjlngBS0-g

Rebroadcasted on Monday Nov 21th 2011.
Update: At the rebroadcasting they had removed the complete performance of the ship and sea scene with the sailor suit choir (looked like Titanic, but singing a Waltz probably by Strauss) and the duet with Mühlbacher. So half of the choir scenes were lost. This scene is in the clip on YouTube with without the solo part.

Update: Christmas 2012. For a view of the front collars of this choir see

/2012/12/27/christmas-in-vienna-2011/

The Whipping Boy

TV family film with costumes
-Year: 1995
-Year in film: 19th century  
-Country: UK, USA, Germany, France
-Who in clothing: boys ~ 15, 12 ys, historical clothing
-Who in clothing 2:
-Available on DVD: yes 
-I own: yes, TV recording
-Clothing occurence: often *   
-Rating:  7/10       
-Rating: *******
-Comment: 15 or 16 yo Truan Munro (pictured right) as 11 yo orphan and whipping boy Jemmy (Tommi in German) in light blue satin breeches like aristocratic clothes. And Nic Knight (left) as Prince Horace aka Prince Brat (Prince Boris in German).

Not Lederhosen or sailor suits, but very good historical clothing and spanking scenes (of both boys). One of my favorite movies of it’s kind (like Prince and the Pauper). Novel by Albert Sidney Fleischman (Newbery Award), died in 2010. Good plot and good acting of both (although the Prince is a bit young overweighted). Film rated G aka “Prince Brat and the Whipping Boy”. In the second half in the woods they don’t wear those white ruffles anymore.

David Copperfield (2000)

TV biography starring Sally Field
-Year: 2000
-Year in film: ~1830s ? 
-Country: Ireland, USA
-Who in clothing: David 10 ys, sailor suits 
-Who in clothing 2: breeches, others
-Available on DVD: yes
-I own: not yet
-Clothing occurence: medium ?
-Rating:  10/10 
-Rating: **********
-Comment: (British) Max Dolbey (pictured) in different sailor suits. Dark blue sailor suit with white collar and red scarf and shiny (satin?) white short sailor suit with blue collar also 2 stripes and straw hat. Maybe more suits and actors (maybe also girls?) Also of course other historical clothings (including breeches) and also at least 2 spanking scenes (incl. Dolbey).

Yesterday I found during research a list of best voted period series. (More of that to come, also for my overalls blog). Then I start checking those films and series and got a video recommendation of this. Perfect. I like white collars. And also the blue collar is well shown from behind. Sitting in white sailor suit on a wagon.
I don’t know this complete film yet (180 minutes, 3 parts a 60 min) but I assume medium or fewer good scenes as there is also a grown up Copperfield, but the scenes, setting and actors looks extremely good and authentic. I have to check other similar films as well. Famous novel by Charles Dickens, published 1850. Nominated for a Primetime Emmy, produced by Hallmark, also starring Michael Richards, Hugh Dancy and Eileen Atkins. Have to check again, but even rating 10 for now.

Das Ekel (1939)

Comedy film starring Hans Moser
-Year: 1939
-Year in film: 1920s?
-Country: Germany
-Who in clothing: Fritz ~7 ys ?, sailor suit
-Who in clothing 2:
-Available on DVD: yes
-I own: yes, partly TV recording
-Clothing occurence: medium
-Rating:  5/10
-Rating: *****
-Comment: A young boy, must be Josi Kleinpeter in blue sailor suits and short pants (pictured). Directed by Hans Deppe after a 1924 stage play by Hans Reimann and Toni Impekoven. I just saw today the last minute of this film, which was by coincidence the very same minute of 9/11 attacks 10 years ago. That’s also one of the reasons why I missed this film. 1939 was also a bad year. The only clip I found on YouTube is this spanking scene (without sailor suit, mabe same pants). Film is available on DVD and obviously not into Public Domain yet. I have to check again, but the boy is very young. So rating only 3 for now. As he also wears other clothes, I assume medium or fewer sailor suit scenes. There are also other b/w films with the same name (eg a 1931 version by Erich Kästner and a 1969 version starring Willy Millowitsch) and also a nickname of a famous German comedian “Ekel Alfred” (Heinz Schubert). Film aka The Grouch. There is also a related 1959 film “Der Haustyrann” starring Heinz Erhardt about this play.

Update: Now I have seen 95% of this movie, missing some minutes just before the end. I saw 3 quite long scenes in sailor suits. 2 different short sailor suits, one with a collar with 3 stripes and at the zoo and before while getting dressed (shoes only) 3+2 thicker stripes, same as at the end. Also a sailor’s hat. The pics are very good and I made something like a story entry out of this combined with the update announcement (Story 36).

Originally rated 3, but more scenes than assumed. Now rating 5-6.

Fanny och Alexander

5h/ 3h Drama by Ingmar Bergman, 4 Oscars
-Year: 1982
-Year in film: 1909
-Country: Sweden, F, D
-Who in clothing: Alexander ~10 ys, boy Putte ~8, sailor suits
-Who in clothing 2: Fanny, other boys, sailor suit, nightshirts, costumes
-Available on DVD: yes *
-I own: yes *
-Clothing occurence: medium *
-Rating:  9/10
-Rating: *********
-Comment: Bertil Guve as Alexander (pictured) in short white, light blue striped and black sailor suits, different collars, also other clothing with little collar and theatre costumes. Pernilla Allwin in a black sailor dress, boy Putte (Kristian Almgren 1971-1994) in black and white sailor suit . Also 3 other kids (short scene outside). Also Fanny, Alexander and Putte in nightshirts. And of course grown ups in other historical upper class clothings.

Scenes only from 5h version

Funny. Last night I thought about my dad and this reminds me of this film. I have seen it once or twice in the 80s and haven’t seen it on TV since. Of course a masterpiece of Ingmar Bergman showing historical childhood and family in 1909and 1910. Perhaps most readers know this film and I don’t have to tell much about it. I wonder, why I haven’t thought about it earlier. I even own the novel. Actually one of the first films to associate with sailor suits. Also starring Allan Edwall (Emil i Lönneberga, died in 1997) and Börje Ahlstedt. Top 208 at IMDb. Film aka “Fanny and Alexander”.

Note that there are different versions in different quality, colors, region codes and features (see below). I am describing the sailor suit and other relevant scenes. Note that I have seen the 5 hour TV version and now the 3h film completely, and don’t know the 322 minute version nor the extras and not the 1986 documentary.

At the beginning Alexander in female looking theatre costumes. Then, probably one of the best scenes Christmas at home incl running while singing (at 23 minutes long version, 18 minutes film version). Pic top right showing Alexander in short white sailor suit with a dark blue collar. After that the farting scene (pic top left) also showing Putte in white sailor suit, white collar, 2 stripes (at 39/24). Then at (40/27) nightshirt scenes. The sailor suit with collar is seen on a chair.

At 1h25/52 the first dinner scene with Alexander and Putte in black sailor suits, black quite short collars

At 1h57 Fanny and Alexander in black sailor suits and long black collar after the funeral. First parts of this scene is not on the film. Alexander coming from the toilet, continue dressing on while running. The 2nd dinner scene with Fanny and Alexander in black sailor suits and later is at 2h05/1h14. The 2nd theatre scene (2h09) showing Alexander in 15th century clothes and long white stockings or tights (pictured) is not on the film. At 2h16/1h16) the brief scene of 3 other boys running in sailor suits. At 2h26 /1h25 black sailor suit (from a distance and one close-up). At 2h31/1h29 Alexander in light blue sailor suit, white long collar (comparison pic, wedding scene), also walking showing backside of collar and pants while lying on a table. At 2h36/1h37 good close up scenes of Alexander with white collar. 2h39 Nightshirt.

The 2nd DVD of the long version has very few sailor suit scenes, however other interesting scenes.

At 6 Nightshirt, At 22 a pullover, short, black non sailor collar. At 29/2h12 the spanking scene (pullover, no sailor suit). At 48 Putte in nightshirt. 1h09 Alexander’s teddy with a white collar. At 1h33 peeing scene nightshirt.

At 1h49/2h12 the tender Ismael scene (Alexander with closed eyes and bare shoulders). At 2h Fanny in black sailor dress. 2h02 close up of Putte with white collar (not on film, see pic), At2h03 Alexander in white sailor suit, blue collar. At 2h09 A pic of the complete family Putte and Alex in sailor suits (not on the film), at 2h14 Alexander in nightshirt.

DVD/BD: I think there is currently only one Blu-ray set with the complete 322 minutes director’s cut, remastered, with extras and different languages (Region A, 3x BD). There is not even a Swedish or other European BD (only of the film). 

I own the German 5 disc Bergman collection DVD with both versions, 2 other Bergman films. Extras only some trailers. The long version is 5h04 (not 322 min), on 2 discs, is not remastered (scratches), and is 4:3 (768×576, but with black bars at top and bottom, so only 496 pixels high) and has warmer colors (pic below). The film version (1 disc) is exactly 3h, is remastered, good color (white is white) and has 1024×576 pixels, some bars left and right so ~955×576. Note also, that the film shows more at the right and the other more of the top. Unlike the long version the film has German subtitles. Both no other languages.

The film (rated R) itself is very interesting and has some very good sailor suit and other scenes. Usually I don’t like Alexander with his quite long and dark hair and I wonder if this is authentic as well as his behavior and that of the grown ups. With an Alexander with short blond hair it would be a different film (like Väter und Söhne). I like his big ears (at 1h51). First only rating 8, now 9 due the many different sailor suits and collars and the interesting plot. I will watch the film again later and hope to check the missing 20 minutes as well as the other extras.

The Seven Little Foys

Drama starring Bob Hope
-Year: 1955
-Year in film: 1913 (sailor suit)   
-Country: USA
-Who in clothing: girl ~ 8 ys, sailor suit
-Who in clothing 2: other historical costumes, bib overalls
-Available on DVD: yes
-I own: yes, DVD
-Clothing occurence: low
-Rating:  6/10 * 
-Rating: ******
-Comment: I think this is the youngest daughter and 3rd youngest kid of Bop Hope. I don’t remember her name. Short scene in blue sailor suit at the end of the film. Also some different stage costumes, but I can’t find the bathing costumes depictured on the DVD cover in the movie. Also a teen boy in bib overalls (also some short scenes, but very good, including spanking on the overalls), for more infos of film and DVD see my overalls blog. Rating 6 for complete film, for sailor suit rating would be only 3.